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Fabiano ostentou o pavilhão da escola de samba Mancha Verde por um total de 12 anos, enquanto Thais defendeu por 13 o pavilhão da Acadêmicos do Tucuruvi. Juntos, eles somam 25 anos ostentando o pavilhão de uma única agremiação! É pra aplaudir de pé!
Mas a história desses dois não para, ou melhor, não começa por aí, Fabiano iniciou a carreira como mestre-sala em 2001, tendo assumido seu primeiro pavilhão oficial em 2002 na Dragões da Real. Mas esse começo não foi tão simples, ele nos conta que:
“Minha família inteira é evangélica, sempre me proibiram de ver e gostar de carnaval, mas mesmo assim eu assistia carnaval escondido (sic)”
Tendo tido seu primeiro contato presencial com o carnaval por meio de uma oportunidade de trabalho no barracão da Caprichosos do Piqueri, foi ali que Fabiano teve a certeza de que amava aquele ambiente, e onde teve sua paixão despertada pela arte de ser mestre-sala. Após a estreia na Dragões, chegou a Mancha Verde, passou pela Acadêmicos do Tucuruvi, Imperador do Ipiranga, Unidos do Peruche, Uirapuru da Mooca, e atualmente é mestre-sala oficial na Primeira da Cidade Líder.
Já Thais, começou desfilando em ala e carros alegóricos na Unidos do Peruche nos anos 90, e teve sua estreia como porta-bandeira, por incentivo de sua avó, Dona Nena, no carnaval de 2000.
“Em 2001 fui pra Imperador do Ipiranga também como segunda PB. Em 2002 assumi o pavilhão oficial da Tucuruvi e fiquei lá até o carnaval 2014.”
Após a Acadêmicos do Tucuruvi, Thais retornou a Unidos do Peruche, onde permaneceu por mais 05 anos. Em seguida assumiu o pavilhão oficial da Independente Tricolor, onde permanece até hoje.
Sobre a chegada ao carnaval Santista, Thais nos conta que:
“A X9 entrou em minha vida em novembro de 2013, por um convite do Presidente da época, Dentinho.”
Enquanto, para Fabiano, essa oportunidade chegou em 2016, mesmo ano em que o casal dançou como oficial na Unidos do Peruche.
Perguntamos a eles como foi, após 10 anos separados, retomar essa parceria em dose dupla na Unidos do Peruche e na X9 Pioneira de uma vez só:
Tendo se passado 10 anos da Acadêmicos do Tucuruvi, primeira vez que dançaram juntos, como foi retomar essa parceria na Unidos do Peruche e X9 Pioneira ao mesmo tempo?
Thais: Eu sempre tive em mente que quando houvesse nova oportunidade, dançaria com o Fabi. Acho que em 2016 foi o momento ideal, porque eu precisava de um mestre sala parceiro, que topasse tudo, que estivesse disposto a fazer dar certo. Me sinto muito a vontade dançando com o Fabi, um simples gesto o outro entende, um olhar, um sorriso, uma piscada… Nós nos entendemos pela alma.
Eu fiquei extremamente feliz quando fomos juntos para a Pioneira e ele também se identificou muito com a escola. Quando estamos onde nos tratam bem, dão valor ao nosso trabalho, tudo flui muito mais leve.
Fabiano: De verdade, super fácil, porque a Thais é uma porta-bandeira clássica e eu também sou meio clássico, por mais que eu tente fazer alguns movimentos contemporâneos ainda assim é uma dança mais clássica. Eu aprendi que a gente precisava conversar no olhar, no toque, que o mestre-sala não deve ter visagismos maior do que o da porta-bandeira, pois ela quem ostenta o pavilhão, o símbolo maior de uma escola de samba, e eu sou “apenas” o guardião dessa dama e desse pavilhão, então a mim cabe protegê-la. A dança é bem fluida em relação a nós dois, a gente se olha e já sabe o que é para fazer, quando eu erro a Thais dá um sorriso amarelo, eu já sei que eu errei, e assim vai.
Thais, que já havia estreado como porta-bandeira na X9 no carnaval de 2013, teve a troca de mestre-sala após 3 carnavais. Ela nos conta como foi a reação do público santista a um novo mestre-sala também vindo de São Paulo.
Você estreou com outro mestre paulistano, em 2013. Qual foi a reação do público santista ao saber que Fabiano, seu novo mestre-sala, também era de São Paulo?
Thais: Eu e Róbinson sempre fomos muito bem recebidos em Santos, fomos desde o primeiro instante abraçados por toda a diretoria e comunidade. Assim como foi no primeiro momento conosco, também foi com o Fabiano. Desde o primeiro instante o abraçaram com muito amor.
Sobre a diferença em bailar nas duas cidades, os dois nos esclarecem que:
– Pergunta: Qual a principal diferença entre bailar em São Paulo e em Santos? É possível, por exemplo, fazer a mesma coreografia aqui e lá sem interferências do critério de julgamento? (Fabiano e Thais)
Thais: O regulamento das duas cidades é o mesmo, mas sempre optamos por fazer coreografias diferentes. Talvez pelo andamento que a meu ver muda muito (o Anhembi é bem mais longo, então aqui acabamos com um andamento mais rápido do que em Santos, que é bem lento e que nos permite fazer a coreografia exatamente na frente dos jurados). Também entra a questão de enredo, que sempre gostamos de acrescentar na coreografia.
Fabiano: O critério de julgamento de Santos basicamente é o mesmo de São Paulo e da Uesp, porque ainda entra a questão de o mestre-sala obrigatoriamente ter que fazer uso do instrumento de trabalho, caso não o faça ele já perde um décimo. Então, como eu danço por muito tempo com a Thais e em escolas da Uesp, eu não senti essa diferença no critério de julgamento. A gente sempre ensaia nas nossas oportunidades de estar juntos, seja no apartamento da Thais, no ateliê dela ou no Anhembi, sempre tentamos conciliar as nossas datas. Também ensaiamos a passagem da coreografia na concentração no dia do desfile, fazemos duas ou três passagens, e é mais fácil dessa forma. Uma outra questão é que o jurado, assim como no Anhembi, nos julga desde nos avista até perder de vista, em Santos é a mesma coisa, porém temos uma facilidade maior com nosso diretor de harmonia, o Junior, que adequa o andamento da escola para nossa coreografia de jurado, que basicamente é parada na frente do jurado.
Fabiano, além de ser mestre-sala oficial da Primeira da Cidade Líder com Sandra Jesus, é também assistente administrativo. Enquanto Thais é porta-bandeira oficial da Independente Tricolor com o Jefferson Antony, administra um ateliê de confecção feminina e carnaval, e atua em uma empresa relacionada a agricultura. O casal nos conta como é conciliar a vida profissional, a dança aqui em São Paulo com outros parceiros e as idas a Santos para defender a Pioneira:
Como vocês conciliam o trabalho, a dança com seus parceiros aqui em São Paulo e a rotina de Santos? Quais as principais dificuldades e facilidades desse processo? (Fabiano e Thais)
Thais: Nós não descemos muitas vezes pra Santos, mas ensaiamos no meu prédio, ou no atelier, ou no Anhembi, na época de ensaios específicos. Não temos dificuldade quanto a ensaios, porque já estamos muito acostumados um com o outro, então nosso principal foco é na coreografia do samba e também de avenida. A base da dança acaba sendo natural.
Nesta época eu me viro nos 30 para conciliar o trabalho diário na Federação, o atelier e os ensaios com ambas as escolas, mas sempre dá tudo certo.
Fabiano: É bem cansativo rsrsrs, conciliar a questão de vida pessoal com carnaval, mas quando a gente faz o que gosta, esse cansaço se torna prazeroso, tem dia que você acorda e fala “ai, não queria ensaiar hoje”, mas quando você sai da sua casa pra ensaiar e chega na escola, esse sentimento desaparece. As dificuldades na realidade estão na saída da cidade quando descemos pra Santos, pois sempre pegamos trânsito. As dificuldades anteriores era um carrinho velho que deixava a gente na mão, Thais passou vários perrengues comigo na estrada, da gente terminar o ensaio 00h00 e só chegar em São Paulo às 7h da manhã do dia seguinte, porque meu carro quebrou e a gente teve que ficar na estrada esperando o guincho, isso aconteceu diversas vezes. Em relação à trabalho e carnaval, super simples, fazer o que gosta não tem erro.
Por fim, pedimos que o casal nos contasse alguma situação engraçada ou desesperadora que já tenha acontecido durante esses anos como casal oficial da Pioneira.
– Pergunta: Vocês dançam com parceiros diferentes, em cidades diferentes. Já aconteceu de por exemplo, se confundirem com as coreografias, paradas etc.? Qual foi a situação mais engraçada ou desesperadora que já passaram nesses anos de conexão São Paulo x Santos? (Fabiano e Thais)
Thais: Nunca aconteceu de confundir coreografia, porque são totalmente diferentes e também porque eu tenho uma concentração muito forte. Na semana que desfilo em Santos (uma semana antes de SP), fico passando muitas vezes a coreografia na cabeça e no dia fazemos a coreografia umas duas vezes na concentração, assim que passamos a pista eu já esqueço esta coreografia e fico pensando na de São Paulo. Sempre deu certo.
A situação mais engraçada foi em 2019, que Fabiano cismou de desfilar com uma rosa como bastão, ele me atormentou um bom tempo. Como eu faço as nossas fantasias, fiz a bendita rosa. Bati, apertei, chacoalhei e ela continuou intacta. No início da avenida a rosa caiu do cabo, não sei como. Ele queria tanto desfilar com ela que fez nosso apresentador pegar a rosa e entregar na mão dele, no final deu tudo certo e a rosa continua perfeita lá no meu atelier, rs.
Fabiano: Não tem dificuldade em relação a dança, eu aprendi que quem tem que brilhar é a porta-bandeira, então eu deixo ela dançar. A questão mais engraçada foi em um desfile que eu infernizei a vida da Thais, no carnaval de 2019 que nossa fantasia era Pierrot e Colombina e eu infernizei a Thais porque eu queria uma bendita rosa na mão, para entregar a rosa pra ela. A Thais fez essa rosa, mas na hora que eu entrei na pista, há poucos metros para chegar no jurado, a rosa descolou do caule e caiu, fiquei só com a varetinha verde na mão. Comecei a gritar para o meu apresentador “A rosa, pega a rosa”, e ele olhava pra arquibancada achando que rosa era uma mulher. Por fim, conseguimos pegar a rosa, mas deve ter algumas fotos da Thais segurando só um “chumacinho” vermelho e fazendo que está entregando pro jurado. Ficamos meio tensos na hora, mas quando veio a nota 30 a gente relaxou.
Uma outra parte engraçada é a viagem, cada descida é uma história, um perrengue, neblina, carro que quebra, alguém que vai com a gente e conta uma história divertida durante a viagem. Então ir pra Santos já não vejo como distância, pra mim é rápido.
Ao final de nossa entrevista, o casal fez questão de agradecer a comunidade da X9 Pioneira: “Agradecemos a comunidade da X9 e ao presidente Mi por nos permitir defender o pavilhão xisnoveano, que é fora de série, muita história. Agradecemos também o André Acedo, que é nosso apresentador, pela parceria e paciência. Ele que sai lá de Bragança Paulista pra nos auxiliar sem cobrar um real e nos auxilia nos perrengues, a se trocar, colocar os enforca gatos na fantasia. Muito obrigado.” Fabiano e Thais
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